Episode 38

Building Resilience As A Business Owner

October 13th, 2021


Today we’re chatting with Jessica Emily from Moonshot You all about Building Resilience As A Business Owner.

We dive into:

  • How to combat overwhelm in business and life
  • Jessica’s 4 step framework to help you overcome challenges
  • Tips for building resilience
  • Focusing on the next logical step rather than the big picture
  • The power of journaling

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Jessica Emily | Moonshot You

About Jessica

Jessica Emily, a happy Monday kinda girl, people person & Entrepreneur who is dedicated to teaching you the tools to overcome challenges, help you face the world & build resilience.

Moonshot You is a global organisation dedicated to enabling teens with tools to overcome life’s challenges & build resilience.

We help them master their mindset, mental health & make the impossible possible.

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Full Episode Transcription

Welcome to take control with Nicole. As business owners, we experienced firsthand the fine line between our personal and business life. During our conversations, we will look at simple hints and tips to create time, reduce, overwhelm, and help you to navigate through your journey to where you want to be. If you’re looking for smarter ways to work, and create space and time freedom in your day, then you’re in the right place. All right, let’s go.

Hello, Hello, and thank you for joining me for this fabulous episode of take control with Nicole. Today I had the amazing Jessica Emily here with me. And we are going to be talking about building resilience as a business owner. But firstly, I would love to introduce you to Jessica. Jessica is from Moonshot You, which is a global organisation helping teens master their mindset, mental health and build resilience.


Well, hello, Jessica, thanks so much for joining me here today and sharing all your fabulousness with my community.

Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure,

My pleasure. I would just love to jump straight in and learn more about you and your business and your community and what makes you sparkle.

Amazing. So I love what I do, I can do what I do on only two hours of sleep every single night. I see what I do in the world as a valuable way of giving back and helping to shape the future generation. So I’ve got such an interesting story. But I really believe that unless you’ve been in someone’s shoes before, are you able to fully understand them. So I know all too well what it was like to be 17. And to have no hope, no tools, no education, and absolutely no one believing in me. And I remember how yucky that felt and how uncomfortable that felt.

Because when I was 17, I was actually living on a beach in Surfers Paradise, with no family support, no High School, no education, nothing, I do work three jobs to support myself. My world was crazy back then. And what I found remarkable is that if we flash forward from being 17 to being 25, I actually sold two successful startups that I started when I was 21 in my first year of uni. So it was through this experience that I truly learned about the human mind. What are we capable of? What are our beliefs? How do our thoughts play out into what actually comes in the real world? And how do we build resilience? How do we get over the yucky times in our life, because I can really say hand on my heart. I’ve been through those yucky times, working three jobs I had to go through tape had to go to university. And then when I reached this, like somewhat overnight success, you know, I was interviewed all over Australia, on ABC, I flew around Australia, just consulting to businesses, I remember thinking, wow, a lot of people don’t truly know what it takes. And I thought I’m gonna devote my whole life educating people on what it takes to overcome challenges and build resilience. So then part of this journey was very much around who do I want to help the most, on my specific niche of what I know. And that’s where it came to working with teenagers, and working with parents of teenagers, which leads me to being so fulfilled because I know how important my work is.

Absolutely, I have two very young children, six and three, as we were just talking about before, but I know we have that teenage life to go through. And I remember back to when I was a teenager and like I was very fortunate I had a fabulous family support. So I was very lucky in those regards. But there were still moments in there regardless of your situation. Being able to work through those little niggly things of you’re not quite an adult, you’re not, you’re not a child anymore. And you’re given these big decisions to make at that kind of 16, 17, 18 year old Mark finishing high school.

What career do you want? I remember back then thinking, gosh, I wanted to go into the events industry. That was exactly what I wanted to do. And then when I didn’t get into the course, I was like, Ah, okay, well, I jumped straight into something else, which wasn’t exactly what I wanted to do at that point. Learn some learn how to make coffee. So that was a win still doing that. But it’s fabulous to have someone that can support them through that stage. So yeah, fabulous. And how long have you been in ministry you how your focus? You’ve said you’ve had a couple of businesses, which is fabulous. So when did moonshot you start?

When did you so I sold my two businesses when I was 25. And I’m now 29. So it’s literally been a four year process for me to get to where I am now. So a lot of it was trial and error. So assessing my framework, the framework that I used, then I would test this framework out on CEOs, which was some of my friends, because of telling the businesses, I got to sit with these people, right through to the people who I felt most comfortable with was disadvantaged kids in the western suburbs of Sydney. So I really spent, I think you could say, the last four years of trial and error, processing, branding, launching, relaunching, figuring out my niche, figuring out my target audience, to be where we are today, it’s been a very long process.

I think business is though it’s always evolving, it’s never set and forget, right? I think I talked about this quite often, where every day we learn new things, and we evolve to the next stage of what it what it is to be a business owner to be a person Eve. And that’s so amazing that we can go on that journey. Now you talk about a framework, what, what, what is his framework? I’d love you to share a little bit about that.

So it’s amazing because I realised when I was getting ready to sell my businesses at uni, a lot of my fellow peers kept asking me, how did you do it? How do you think this way? How do you be so confident, and I realised that everyone has their own challenge. So whether it’s to break up with a boyfriend, to get better marks in high school to find a job to ace a job interview, right? No matter what age we are, no matter what experience we have, we’re going to be challenged by something. But it’s kind of like a roadmap that helps you work through a challenge. So let’s take a basic example of learning how to be more confident.

Okay, so there’s a four step framework on how you can do that.

So the first step is set a goal. What is your goal? Okay, the goal is, I want to be more confident. Okay. The second step is, what is your thinking? You have to get the road map, right of your thinking, is it positive? Is it negative? Do you believe in yourself? Do you have a good self belief system, right? Because you’ve got to be able to monitor your boss to understand if they’re going off track, or if they’re going to help you reach this goal. Really, really important step. Third of all, what is your believability? Now? I think we all know what happens when we set a goal that we don’t reach. The biggest reason why we don’t reach that goal is because we never believed we could in the first place. It’s one of the most common reasons because people will set a new year’s eve goal or New Year’s resolution with like, I’m gonna lose 20 kilos in one week, or whatever it is. But what they don’t realise is that they don’t believe that that goal is even possible.


So that’s step number three, you got it, you know, it’s kind of like a yes or no answer. Do I believe I can reach this goal? Yes, not. If it’s Yes, keep going. If it’s no, stop, recalibrate, and go back to the beginning.

The final step is to create mini wins. Mini wins is a really, really powerful tool that I realised people need to take in order to really, really reach their goals. So in many ways, is understand what you need to believe, to make this goal possible. So for you to be a more confident person, something you need to believe you can do or something you need to believe you can have is the ability to talk to people, right? So you need to be practising mini wins every day, which can help you reach your larger goal. So many when, for example, could be setting a timer of five minutes or a goal to speak to one new person a day. Want to do 20 new people, and in a day, that’s overwhelming. And it’s also not possible. We need to do a mini win, which helps us build up our confidence, build up our believability. So we know what’s possible within ourselves.

Absolutely, I talk about like those small incremental changes or those micro moments. And that’s exactly it. I’ve had many conversations with people and they’re like, Oh, I want to get on Insta stories. But I can’t it’s too you know, door to door. And I’m like, just do it. Just start it. Just rip that band aid off. Just do that little story once a day. And you do it repetitively and repetitively and repetitively. And all of a sudden, it’s easy now, it’s just in your every day of something that you just pick up the phone, you don’t even think about it.

Exactly. And it’s often what I say to people is to how did you go the first time you tied your shoelace? 80% of people said to me, I didn’t get it the first time. You know, the other 20% are just being smarter says like, Yeah, I got it the first time. But in reality, we didn’t get it the first time. But it’s our ability to just keep going until we get it. Yeah, until it becomes such an embedded neural pathway that we just know it without even thinking like we don’t have to think when we tie our shoelaces. You probably have to think about it now and you have to teach your kids like Hold on a minute, like, up down around. How did I do that? And then there’s new ways of doing it. Like you might have the bunny ears or you’ve got the loop over it. So which way do we go?

Whatever is right for you, the different options you choose.

That’s fabulous. Great. So how do you support? So I know you’re obviously focusing on working with teams, but you said you’ve worked with some CEOs of businesses before and using this framework. So how would you support them or business owners to understand the framework and move really sort of lean into it, focus on their, wherever they’re heading, and know that it’s the right thing for them to focus on as well. So you know, you said you sort of come to that point, and you’ve got to ask yourself, Is this where I should be heading? Or actually, is this not really in alignment with where I need to be heading?

terrific question. And I think there’s so many questions there moulded into like one kind of equal. I think the two things to really pick on that have been guiding principles that have always worked for me, and I’m talking, they’ve always always worked for me, is, first of all, follow what feels right. It feels right to start a new product line, do it, like really sit with yourself and figure out does this feel right? And if it doesn’t, don’t do it? It’s very simple. Like, these are really easy signals, not from the universe, but just from inside yourself. where, you know, quite clearly, yes, I should be doing this, or no, I shouldn’t be doing that. You do get that feeling, don’t you? Like, I’ve had that too. And I kind of sits right in there. And you’re like, oh, and you kind of look out what’s for people to tell you which way to go and all of that. But ultimately, you have to you have to come back in, you know, deep down if it’s the right.

Yeah, right, exactly. So I went for a walk this morning with a really good friend of mine. And he owns several businesses. And he said to me, I’ll just I had this idea to do a new line of this business. Because when something doesn’t feel right, and we explored it, and sure enough, throughout just talking about it over one hour walk, we got to the solution, that it’s not right for him, and he goes, just you know, I knew I wasn’t gonna do it anyway, you just helped me triple confirm it. I said, it’s great when you listen to yourself, because you actually have the answers.

We do. We’re just we’re humans, right? We we want cat we love connection. And actually going through that process. A lot of the time, when we reach out for help, it’s not that were actually wanting you to answer the questions for us. It’s almost that you’re going to sit with us to go through the brainstorming, and all of the ifs and buts and the possibilities, so that we’re aware now of all the information, and we can come back in and make that decision. So really, like I’ve gone through that with my close friends as well, we kind of just, here’s the space. Let’s do it. And we reach the solution at the end. So yeah, fabulous. Exactly.

So that’s the first guiding principle that I live by. And the second one is only do the next logical step. So far too often, right? Let’s say for example, we’re planning a road trip from here to Victoria. Okay. But too often we’re going to plan what we do in Victoria, before we even plan how to get there. Or the stairs we need to take. I’ve done that so many times, and I’ll find myself just being in is overwhelming, like Flurry, like, I’m so flustered. Like I’m just faffing around, I guess they’re all made up words. But you know, when you just spend time doing stuff, you don’t even know what you’re doing. Yeah, I realised oh my gosh, this is just crazy. Because the only thing that’s my next logical step to do is to hire a car, or to even cook annually, or to even tell my partner this is what we’re doing right. But far too often we’ve done 500 steps ahead, but it’s really clear that we will often know what the next logical step is. And then from that step, do the following step. It’s really meant to be just a procedure that if we follow it, lives so much easier.

You’re talking to someone who loves the process over here. So that makes total sense to me. And I’m just thinking back to keeping on the holiday planning. I lived over in London for a number of years and there were a few trips where I did exactly now I’m looking and thinking back I did exactly that. I’m like, Okay, these are the cities that were travelling to and through to get to this destination. And so I looked at this city and I planned that and I looked at the city and plan that look diversity and plan that what I didn’t necessarily account for is in the travelling between the two now was a lot younger back then as well and we were driving. So a couple of days there we had a whole day driving, driving from San Sebastian through to the south of France. Not very well organised at that point. Whereas if we had have taken it right back to the start and Okay, so what’s this next step and then how we’re getting from here to here, so we can pace ourselves through that journey and Come to a spot and have all the things yelling at us. Because we’re trying to achieve everything in that one day that we’re in Barcelona or wherever we are trying to see all the things. So. yeah, it’s quite simple really, when you think about it, isn’t it?

It is in its true spot on. And to further your example, we decided as of yesterday, because of our new premiers announcement, we’re going to go ahead with our wedding, which we have cancelled twice now. We’ve done countless reboots, replants, retakes, whatever you name it. But as of yesterday, my partner and I said, we can do 100 people, we’re going to make it happen. Okay. So as of nine o’clock this morning, I’m on the phone to my maid of honour, and she gets into a flurry. But she’s just like, I have got to do this got to do that got to do all these things. That’s my darling, turn off the notion, lift it, which is that like our checklist planning tool, we’re going to get under note, pen and pin, what’s the next logical step we need to do? And she just kept coming up with things that we need to do on the day. My darling, let’s work backwards, right? And so we slowly worked through it and said, Okay, the next five things, we need to do only these things. When they’re done, then we can do the next five. And I said, darling, you can’t fluster me and you can’t make me flustered. Because I’ve got to be on this podcast this morning. You know what I mean? Like, it’s really that simple. What do I need to do, and then maintain that vibrational alignment and being calm? Because there’s no way I could be flustered and do the kind of amazing work that I do? It just wouldn’t work.

Yeah, absolutely. And that’s it, you know, seeing just just far enough ahead, so you know what those next steps are, and that all of those steps combined, so you do the first five, check those off, then we’ve got the next five, and then by the day that your wedding arrives, you’ve achieved so many things. And you’re there on the day, and you know, that your crews got you under control, they’ve got their things, you just focus on being your fabulous self. That’s it. Same in business, you know, we look at processes we look at, we’ve just done some, you know, quarterly goal planning in the members lounge. And we’ve looked, we’ve started big, so we’re like, where are we heading? And we’ve broken it down into small, small, achievable steps.

And so all that we’re focusing on is month one, what are we doing in month one, we get to that milestone, celebrate, yay, because I’m all about celebrations. And then we can move on to the next. But we don’t need to look that far forward, we can just focus on what’s just immediately in in the forefront of where we’re heading.

It’s so powerful. I swear by those two principles over and over again. It’s amazing, fabulous. So with business owners as well, what is there anything else that you kind of support them with as they’re going through this journey? I know those principles are really strong. And we’ll definitely outline those in the show notes so that it’s really nice and clear that they can come back and focus on but is there anything else that we need to be aware of?

I definitely a journey. Yeah, I definitely think the concept of resilience is very important. So regardless of your age, or how much you think you know, or where you’re at, we always need to be resilient. So what does that mean? It means not giving up. It means understanding that if one door closes, it’s closed for a reason. But you need to be able to be resilient to get back up and figure out the next solution. So we saw this happen a lot during COVID, where a lot of businesses just couldn’t get back up. Now I’m not talking financially, right, but I’m talking about being a problem solver for being quick on your feet or being able to think, what else can I do? How else can I think because we need to understand that if we have a thinking paradigm, like a way that we think does it serve us? And does it help us to be more nimble, because the world is changing at such a fast pace, that resilience is very much like a muscle. So it’s kind of like setting a goal and understanding Okay, I want to build two centimetres of muscle. Okay, it doesn’t just grow overnight, what are the small steps we need to do? So preparing yourself a little bit more to handle anything is what will really help keep you more resilient.

Just interrupting this episode for one little message. If you have been listening and love what you hear and want to come in Connect, we have a tight control in the Facebook community right over there on Facebook that I would love to invite you to come and join us. We are a supportive community. We are looking to really take action in our businesses and change the way or evolve the way we are working right now. So I invite you to come on over and join our community and connect with us. Community is the essence of everything in business, being able to really build those relationships that you can nurture grow and support and celebrate each other our how fabulous. I hope to see you over there, pop on over to Facebook, take control with Nicole, the Zune. Do you think that anybody can learn that skill of resilience that like if they maybe not, you know and look at COVID is is a great example, there have been so many things like, just in our household were in Melbourne, got my husband working and running a business, but preppy, homeschooling, Charlotte home from childcare, she’s little quarter tornado, Charlotte sotc, she’s just doing her thing and in the house and, you know, try to live, eat clean, try finding space for ourselves, you know, it’s a different one. Yeah, working from home, just full stop even and especially if you’re a business owner with a team that had previously been in an office space, to having to learn how to do all those things. That’s something that maybe many people have not had to really deal with, or come across before. So that that thought of resilience? How can we move from maybe, like training off that skill to be able to learn how to move through those particular times, you know, in our spaces?

Terrific. So I really think a level of self-awareness is important here. So we need to understand that if today, if you scored how well you think you went today, as 1%, right? You said on a call today I did 1% Good job, for example, or I did 1% of what I thought I’m capable of, just as an example, if we give ourselves that rank, our goal the next day, is to only move up 1.5%. The next day 2%. So we need to look at this as a very incremental kind of stepping stone. So if we are plagued by all these different challenges as a business owner, we need to stop and scale it back and say, Okay, well, if today, this was all I could do tomorrow, if I could do just one more thing, or apply 10 minutes of meditation, or do one more thing around more productivity, whatever it is for you your goal, we need to do it in small steps to build our capability. Because it’s very much like a rubber band. So our resilience is like this. So we have an elastic band. But as soon as we teach it something new, it gets bigger. And as we’ve learned it, we go great. Okay, then we wake up the next day, with shrunken back, but we haven’t shrunk back in the elastic band to the original size. We’ve increased a little bit. Yeah, that’s exactly. And so that’s how this works. So if we just treat it like that, and say, Okay, I only rank myself one out of 10. Today, great, not a problem to call tomorrow, you’re going to be 1.5 out of 10. And we need to not get discouraged and say why am I only one out of 10 I wish I was to life would be so much better when I’m two out of 10. It’s not like that it’s appreciating and being grounded and being happy being one out of 10. And understanding what growth lays before us what growth is available for us as we move from one to 1.5

Yeah, that awareness is really important, I think being okay to be exactly where you are right now as well. Because we know that, you know, when we’ve got sort of high achievers or perfectionist tendencies, and I’m wanting to do all the things yesterday, because we want to be whatever the ideal of success is for you.

However, if we keep pushing and pushing and pushing, but we don’t have the resources to continue that it’s hard. It’s like pushing up a hill of things with resistance, right and pushing uphill or swimming uphill. Exactly. And that’s why I think the self awareness is really important because we need to figure out what’s working and what’s not working. Yeah, so very similar to what we talked about before about what feels good and what doesn’t feel good. So if it really does feel like you’re pushing shit uphill, we need to stop and recalibrate. Think Okay, if I’m probably producing point five out of 10 which is the negative compared to the day before we’re at one. Why am I producing point five out of 10? Why do I feel this resistance? Why do I feel so bad about this? Why does it feel like a niggling yucky feeling? And that’s the self awareness. We need to be tuning into more as business owners, because they’re all really important signals. And the signals come to us for a reason.

Yeah, things always happen for a reason.

Exactly, they really do. And I can speak from experience, going from losing it all to starting all over again and then losing it again. And, you know, you can sit there and think why, but ultimately it’s gonna work out. You just have to have that way of thinking that it’s all just gonna work out. Yeah. That’s really cool.

Do you own Do you do sort of I’m not in this space yet, or just starting, but a bit of journaling, things like that. Do you have a notebook? We’ll just talking about that sort of reflective moment of Okay, I’m here today. I was more more presented yesterday, but I’m here today. Why is that something that you have in the past that have guided your maybe it isn’t journaling? Maybe it’s literally just sitting down having to think about it. But is that something you’ve gotten people through or supportive people to understand how to actually reflect? Because that’s something that I think is fast paced, busy, technological world, things just move at a pace of knots? Like they just keep going and going and going, and actually to be still? And look back? And know, become aware. So you can take that next step forward?

Yeah, I don’t know if that’s something you’ve had, just speaking my language, because I am a huge fan of journaling. Yeah, I will journal each and every single day. I love it. I live by it. And what’s really funny is that at one point, I was kind of stuck with journaling. And I couldn’t get over it. I couldn’t journal. And this is a really funny story. So two parts to the story. The first reason why I was stuck is I didn’t have a prompt, I didn’t know what I was journaling about. So instead, I’d write on the top of the page. So what’s going on? Just like how Facebook does it, Facebook say, so what’s on your mind, I think is their prompt. I was like, well, what’s on my mind? What’s going on, and it was so powerful. So as soon as I started putting that prompt, then everything would just come out. But the second reason why I actually had a bit of a roadblock with journaling, is I buy all these fancy notepads for journaling, notebooks and everything. And when it came time to use them, I thought, Oh, no, I can’t use that one. That’s my good journaling pad, I can’t use it, I’m going to make a mistake, I cannot use it. And it wasn’t until I realised I could buy the a4 legal pads, scribble out all my journals onto there, and then either throw it in the bin or rewrite it properly in my good journal book. And it would all be perfect. And I thought, Oh, my goodness, that’s all I had to do to stop the block of this amazingness behind journaling. And I, I swear by that, and I’ll tell that technique to anyone who is perfect, which more than likely will be half of your audience. Although that’s my special book, honour, there’s not going to be perfect, I can’t do it, get over it, get some throw out paper, get some paper you don’t really care about put all your thoughts on there, if you want to transfer them to your gradebook, and keep on going. But it’s as simple as that.

Isn’t it amazing the blocks that we create for ourselves. But I am working through it myself, but not the whole. I do love notebooks. I’ve actually got one on my desk here that I haven’t actually had for the longest time and it was sitting on the bookshelf and I rediscovered her the other day and she’s now my my current journal. But I’m have was a fantastic self editor. And so much so that I wouldn’t write anything in the journals or anything like that, because I’m like, Oh, I can’t like, jotted down all these fabulous stories. And I did the same thing as you with the prompts. I just had the one question or I just literally open the page and just how am I feeling today? Or what’s going on? Where am I heading? Whatever it is, and it’s not doesn’t have to be anything fancy does it and I’m still learning this technique myself from getting into the habit and it’s fabulous when I do because what comes out, you don’t even realise it’s all sitting in the back there. And you can allow yourself that space in that freedom to just let it flow. You know what if you make this How can you actually make a mistake actually, when you’re journaling because it’s just whatever is in your mind is exactly what needs to come out at that exact moment in that beautiful notebook with those lovely colourful pens that I have over there.

Exactly. And tell me do you ever find this where sometimes you might not have the answer if you’re thinking about it, but if you pick up the phone and call a friend and you just talk about it, the answer just comes to you. It’s very much the same whether you’re journaling or talking to someone or talking to yourself, or just going for a walk by yourself. The answers will just come but you just need to kind of put yourself in the right spot for them to come. Because if you’re sitting there stressing got such an idiot I can’t have this answer. It’s never gonna work out of course. It’s not going to work out, cuz you’re not giving it space to work out.

Absolutely. And I, you know, like I suggest to my clients all the time to do like a brain dump of all the things and one of them in particular of recent times, I said to him, I’m like, just dump it out, get it out of your head, like, I use a tool called click up, which is, who listens, you’ll know I do, too fabulous project management tool, if you haven’t heard of it. And obviously, just get a document, dump it all out, get it out of your head, because what you’re going to do is now create the space to be able to know exactly where you need to focus. And sure enough, he did it. And I got this message back saying, Thank you, this has been a life change, like a game changer. And I’m like, Yes, so exciting. Because when they’re clearing the space, and that’s the same as journaling or having a conversation or, you know, just even your rights, speaking to yourself, just like getting that out of there and detangled into that simple, simple focus.

And it’s often because you’re creating the space, like, how many times has an idea come to you in the shower? Yeah, it’s because you’re in this space. And of course, it’s going to come I love it. It’s so powerful.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, are fabulous. So good. Thank you for sharing all of that, is there anything else you’d love to share or tell us about or anything that you think would be, you know, you just something you’d love,

I think, speaking as a business owner to other business owners, another hack or principle that I really, really guided by, is feeling good. So what I mean by that, I mean, if you’re feeling bad, don’t do it. So for example, if we get ourselves overwhelmed, it happens, right? Got to do the kids got to pick up these got to call that supplier got to finish all these paperwork, you got to do all the emails, right? If we’re feeling overwhelmed, whatever action we do, when we’re overwhelmed, won’t work out for us, it won’t be done as well. Whereas what I always notice about myself, and I’m just very self aware, and it really, really works is when I do feel overwhelmed, or when I do feel like there’s too much on is I stop, and I get myself feeling good. Feeling good means that if you were to rank yourself out of 10, say a two out of 10 is an indicator for you that you’re feeling overwhelmed. My goal is to go from to put myself from a two out of 10 to maybe a five, which means I’m feeling good. I’m not on the low end. But I’m not 10 out of 10. And we can’t be 10 out of 10 all the time. Like the day you get married or the day you have a kid, right? It’s a really amazing life event. So for me, my biggest thing is how do I feel good now. So I’ll do a simple 10 minute break. If I’m feeling too overwhelmed, I might walk to the letterbox I might call my grandma, or I might even watch a 10 minute cat video on YouTube. I will just giggle and then you know what before I know, when I do go do that action or take that that step I need to do for the business. It’s not going to be done out of a place of cranky, overwhelmed anger, frustration, and competence. Like it’s not going to be done out of a negative space, it’ll be done out of somewhat of a good space you’re talking about as well.

I really encourage having breaks all the time in in your day, to allow you to have that transitional time and become aware, you know, the when you are feeling that pressure, whether it’s from internal things that are going on external pressures. If you again, we’re talking about that pushing or swimming up the hill thing, if you continue in that way, it’s going to feel harder, it’s going to feel like you’re not actually achieving things. And then what you’ll end up feeling is at the end of it, you’ll look back and be like I didn’t actually didn’t actually do that to the best of my ability. And I’m really frustrated at that and data, data, data dot whatever it might be. Whereas as you’ve suggested and said if you actually feel that happening, step away from the computer, like just step away, I’ve actually said, flashback to a couple months ago, I had someone messaged me and she goes I just feel and I’m like,

close the laptop. Yep, whatever way You’re the worst thing you can do when you feel her needs to keep working. Yeah, and I’m not saying like the to do lists can wait like the to do list sometimes is very important. But be so aware of how you’re being while you’re doing. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think though, that there isn’t anything so urgent, that if you’re really in that zone, And you hear in that zone, the focus is not going to be there. So just be honest with ourselves and be aware of that. And with you’re coming back to your planning, if you’ve allowed and you’ve looked at the planning correctly, you’ll have space for those extra things that happen. And that space can be for you to realign and re come back, and you’ll have that capacity to still get those things done that you need to. So, so important. Thank you for sharing that. Absolutely.

Oh, fantastic. Well, it is time for the three questions that you’re ready.

Yes. Yay. I think I know this, because you just mentioned it.

What is your go to app that creates ease in your everyday?

Notion. Yep. So I love notion because for those who aren’t familiar with notion, I guess, how do I describe it, it’s like a blank canvas, where you can make whatever you want. So if you want to make your own version of a calendar, they’ve got the template for it, versus your own version of a to do list or your own version of like a, what’s the word like Asana, like a tool kind of concept where it can help you map out what you need to do on win by buckets, like a monday.com. And I swear by notion, I think it’s the most powerful tool ever, because of how customizable it is. Yeah, notion is a very good tool. So my, my selection is clickup similar reason that it’s so customizable, that you’ve got all the different views and all the things that you can do. What I love is there’s so many options out there that we can all find the one that fits what we like, because we’re all unique. And that’s so amazing. Awesome. Thank you for sharing that.


Are you an online or paper to do lists lover,

I am a old school, pen and paper, kind of girl. I’ve always got reams of paper, I can’t leave the house without a notepad and pen, just in case an idea will come to me, this whole concept of the phone, and then the sharing notes and that all online. I just can’t do it. Yeah. I’m so old fashioned that it scares me for 29 year old.

Again, we’re all unique. And you’ve got to lean into it, you know? And there’s like I do we’ve on chats and tears over the last few weeks, we’ve got a few paper and pen lovers in there. We’ve had a few conversations about beautiful stationery and things like that sounds really strange. No, I’m talking about that. But now you’ve got it. Like how fabulous, so great.


Now, what would you do if you created more space in your world?

So more time in my world, like I could just add 12 hours a day? Is that what you mean by that? more space.

So you know, if you’re looking at the moment and you’re doing all the things, you could make things more efficient, or, you know, create? Yeah, more time. So you have for yourself, time for yourself, I would probably engage more with people. So I make sure that I’m present with every single person that I’m speaking with, but I would engage more with them and more deeply. Yeah. genuine connection actual heartfelt connection?

Definitely. Yeah, cuz I find it’s quite easy to or quicker to follow this person on Instagram got a phone back, that person got to do this. And we treat everyone like to do this. But my thing is creating more space for people. Yeah, so when I’m with you, you know I’m with you. When I’m on the phone to someone, you know, it’s just that time for them, or 20 minutes uninterrupted clothes closing those down the you know, we talked about pomodoro method nuts, probably not the same as big, but you could technically use it for this situation as well. But you know that it dedicated focus time on the action of the task for the person that you’re doing with and what a difference when you’re in a conversation with someone and they’re 100% therefore, you get such a different experience. So Oh, wonderful. Thank you so much for all.

Thank you This conversation. It was and I’m just I’m so glad to share this with your audience because I know these tips and techniques work. Yeah, absolutely.

Where can we find you?

He’s our website is www.moonshotyou.com. And my Instagram is it’s Moonshot You and our YouTube channel is Moonshot You. So we’re creating amazing free resources for parents of teenagers and teenagers, and just know that everything we’re doing, whether it’s across Instagram, or Facebook or YouTube, it’s all free. Because we’re all focused at the moment on giving back and making sure that during these crazy times everyone has access to the tools they need to really overcome these kinds of challenges in life.

Yeah, that is so important to having especially as we’re talking about that age group. Sometimes they don’t want to talk To us as parents. So you’re having someone like you and I’ve had to look at your Instagram and I love that your video is so directed at exactly that. I’m just I feel like you’re talking to me as a teenager, which is, I’m assuming what you’re trying to do. So I love it. Great. Thank you.

Well, thank you so much again, for coming on today. And come and follow. You know, as we were going and if you’re a parent with a teenager, pop on over to mentor you on Instagram is the place to be via thank you again.

Thank you so much. Wonderful, everybody. I hope you have a fabulous rest of your day and enjoy creating space and time freedom by now.

Well, there we go. Thank you so much for joining me today. It’s been such a pleasure having you on board. Have we connected on the socials? Yes, if not, please come on over Say hi, I’m on all the platforms at the artisan solutions. So I’d really look forward to seeing you over there. And if you enjoy today’s episode, don’t forget to tag me and I’d love it if you could leave a review. And of course share this with others so others can come and join us next time.

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