Jazz is a nature and ice-cream lover who is passionate about mental health and supporting people to become empowered. Being a Social Worker, Jazz has become acutely aware of the capacity of the mind to affect an individual's well-being. Jazz's passion for meditation and for the well-being of others led me to become a Certified Meditation Teacher. Jazz hasn't always been a meditator. She didn't always get it. But as soon as she did she knew she had to share it with people.
Nicole Smith 0:02
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Hello, hello and thank you for joining me for this fabulous episode of Take Control with Nicole. Today I have the amazing Jazz Kalus here with me and we are going to be talking about how to be less stressed and more you with meditation. But firstly, I would love to introduce you to Jazz. Jazz is a nature and ice cream lover, passionate about mental health and supporting people to become empowered. Jazz's passion for meditation and for the well being of others led me, led her not me to become a certified meditation teacher. Welcome Jazz. Thank you so much for joining me here today and sharing your absolute fabulous with my community.
Jazz Kalus 1:17
No, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Nicole Smith 1:21
So good. It's been a little bit of a morning here in Melbourne today. We're recording on the day of the crazy storm. So I think I'm getting that if that feeling you can feel hear my voice is a little bit different today. I'm just kind of just coming centralised. And actually, what a great conversation to be having, today to bring me back centred.
Jazz Kalus 1:41
Yeah, perfect. I actually woke up this morning. I also didn't sleep last night because the it was just, it was just wild. It was so loud. And it actually even brought back some memories of the earthquake. I was like, ah, are we having another earthquake? Anyway, I kind of that that passed quickly. But I woke up exhausted. And a friend of mine was also messaging me saying she's also exhausted. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so grateful for my meditation practice. And I messaged her to say I highly recommend doing a meditation if you're feeling tired. And she said to me, oh, is that something that the meditation helps with? And so yeah, it is super relevant because I'm definitely not my freshest today not feeling super energised. But I think that yeah, having my meditation practice because of the incredible rest that it provides means that I can you know, shop here today with some energy and, and have a good chat with you. So yeah.
Nicole Smith 2:41
It's fabulous, isn't it? When you discover those things that help you to re energise. Last week, I actually on Wednesday, I went out and sat in the sun for the whole day. Because I just felt like, that's what I needed. Yeah, I mentioned in a previous episode, my fabulous Cass who works with me, she said, go and be a lizard going, like soak up those rays, like a lizard, and enjoy that. And it was such a good, good thing to do.
Jazz Kalus 3:10
Beautiful and so great that you were kind of aware of what you needed. Yeah, that's something else that meditation really, really helps with is helps you to really become become aware of what you need in every moment. So sun, sun, was it for you on Wednesday, and I love that you went and got it.
Nicole Smith 3:25
Exactly. So I talked about that as well. Making sure that we do listen to ourselves and rest and just space and stopping it's just as important as doing the things that you you, you know, those steps forward in your business or in your world, taking that time to stop and rest and look inwards is really really key.
Jazz Kalus 3:46
Absolutely. Rest is very productive.
Nicole Smith 3:49
Yeah, exactly. Well, I would love you to share a little bit about you. Tell us all about you and your business and all the things.
Jazz Kalus 3:57
Yeah, thanks. Um, so yeah, I'm Jazz Kalus and I have recently started a business called Jazz Calus Meditation, very original name. And basically, my kind of journey with meditation started probably many years ago, in a way, I have been working as a social worker for about eight years now. And as a social worker, you know, I'm often supporting people with anxiety, depression, stress, all kinds of things. I currently I'm working as a multicultural youth worker. So I support young people from refugee and migrant backgrounds. And, yeah, I guess as a social worker, I was just introduced to meditation because it was used as a tool to support people with stress and anxiety. And I would often, you know, suggest certain apps for people never really understanding probably what exactly what meditation did, but I knew it was helpful. I knew kind of, in general terms, you know, what it was used for. I wasn't telling people to use it irresponsibly. But I guess now with my learning, I have a much greater understanding, which is why it feels like back then, you know, I had less of an understanding, but so yeah, I guess I was able to really see the need for it. So that way, and then later on in life, I had a bunch of friends who meditated. And over time, I just would kind of witness the impacts that meditation was having on them. And these were friends that I would go on holidays with, we'd be travelling. Sometimes in New York, in really amazing places. And no matter what they would have, they would tell me like sorry, Jazz, like, I need to do my 20 minute meditation. And I was just like, what do you mean? New York is outside and you want to go inside? What is this about?
Nicole Smith 4:29
Oh yeah, New York, New York. Love it. I love New York, one of my favourites places.
Jazz Kalus 6:03
It's absolutely the best. And yeah, so I mean, I didn't, I didn't really understand it, then I was kind of like, I didn't understand why they were spending all this time. But I guess after seeing so many friends meditating, so consistently, even when there's something so incredible to see outside, and so much to do, I thought there must be something to this. So it wasn't only until Victoria's first lockdown that I really decided to, okay, I'm gonna, I'm going to look into this. I'm going to suss this out. And so I went online and did a bunch of courses to learn about meditation. And instantly, you hear all the science and all that I'm instantly like, oh, my gosh, I need to do this. This sounds amazing. I need to do this for myself. But I also really want to learn how to do this and know more about it for the people that I work with. Because it just is an incredible tool. So I tried some apps, I started meditating using some apps, and that was lovely, I could see that there was something kind of useful, and I felt it felt nice, but I wasn't able to make it, make it a habit. I just I knew it was good, you know, like, intellectually, you know how good it is, and you want to do it, but like, life just gets in the way and you prioritise other things. Yeah. Um, so yeah, it wasn't until then I had a friend who learned how to teach meditation and she taught me meditation. So I learned with a teacher and I had a, I had a guide and that was amazing. And then from then on, I made it a daily habit. And then when I, once I made it a daily habit, I was really able to see the incredible array of benefits that meditation gave me. And so as soon as I realised that and as soon as I realised how powerful this extremely, extremely simple tool is, I decided that I just have to share this with other people. So yeah, I then I trained to become a meditation teacher. And, and now I'm teaching. I'm just yeah, I'm teaching it because I, I think it's so powerful. And I'm really passionate about empowering people to, to be their best selves. I don't want to change anyone, I want I want to support people to become more than Yeah, yeah. So that's what got me here.
Nicole Smith 8:23
Love it. That's amazing. A few things that have stood out for me is that yeah, you don't want to change anyone, everyone's our beautiful, unique selves, and discovering the tools and how to utilise those tools to actually support us is so key. And that awareness piece and that journey that you went on for your own meditation practices, and be now being able to support others through that is such a powerful thing. I know that I've dabbled, I've got Insight Timer on my phone, and like, you know, go in and look at other meditation things and I do use it. But normally, it's at the point where I need to fully reset. Whereas I can see from, from what you're saying, and I talk about consistency all the time, and across all sorts of stuff. And we were just talking about, you know, having those breaks and everything as well, introducing something that, the word you use was, simple, easy, to do, each day, could really build up and create such a strong foundation for you as an individual.
Jazz Kalus 9:30
Yeah absolutely. It's really something else I'm really passionate about is, is sharing really proactive tools. So you know, a lot of people I think and as you kind of said, use it when they're when they're really like desperate or and what I think is so amazing about it is that it's a practice and that I feel like I have it. It really just prepares me for whatever comes my way for whatever kind of challenging things whatever demands whatever stressors come my way I feel like it really Yeah, it just it helps me to be ready for that. There's some quote, I remember reading it on, it was like world meditation day, like every day, something about when you meditate every day, you don't have to get ready, like you already are ready, like something like that.
Nicole Smith 10:16
That makes sense though doesn't it? Because with anything, it's it just becomes a natural, it's just the new way. So at first when you start something new, it's bit feels a bit weird. Not quite, quite right. And then you just continue, continue. And all of a sudden, it's like getting up and brushing your teeth every morning.
Jazz Kalus 10:36
Exactly. Yeah. And I think that one day or one day will be like that. I think that we don't, so many people, yeah, I mean, brushing our teeth also was one of those things that we didn't do, like, we haven't been doing that forever. People didn't know about dental hygiene. Yeah, like forever. And it's really interesting, because if you think about it, what do you what would you rather lose, your tooth or your mind? And yeah, yeah. And we don't tend to take care of our minds. We know that brushing our teeth is important, we know that having a shower is important for our physical hygiene and for our dental hygiene. But what about our mental hygiene? And I think that it's it's really interesting, I don't know, we just haven't been taught in schools or growing up or in society, they kind of haven't made us realise that our minds are important. It's what it's what we use in every single interaction. And it's so important to take, to take the time to care for it.
Nicole Smith 11:35
I think there's a bit of a transition that's occurring at the moment moving from the hustle culture, you know, the go, go, go, we're going to do things in a day. And you're not successful unless you're doing all these things and dah dah dah, showing up on social media all the time, like pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure. Now we're like taking a step back and going actually, I'm the most important person in this puzzle. And for me to actually do those things. I need to look after myself, and giving yourself that permission to introduce them, the behaviour of meditation each day. Yeah, that's probably I'm guessing one of those things that you might help your, your clients with, to really understand that. Yes, it's not an thing now, but you're allowed to let yourself have some time for you. Like that's absolutely essential. you know.
Jazz Kalus 12:29
That's so true. It's so wonderful to see that shift as well, that, that we are talking like self care has become, you know, a really common term and work life balance or I think people are really real, especially, you know, since we've had this, gone through this pandemic, I think people have realised that slowing down can actually be really useful. And I think like, I mean, I kind of mentioned it earlier. But we've, for a long time, we haven't thought that looking like looking after ourselves is productive. And I think that now, there is a bit more of an understanding that rest is actually productive. Yeah, doing things for yourself is productive, because it's those kinds of things. I mean, for me, just personal example, because of my meditation practice, I think I'm I mean, I feel like I have more time I have more energy, I'm more me, I'm better in my friendships, my relationships have deepened. And that's because I've taken time out and time to go in, that I'm then able to be better in every single aspect of my life, even though it takes up a little bit of time. I mean, yeah, good question. I saw somebody post something on Instagram the other day about it said, would you spend 2% of your day doing something to make the other 98% even more amazing? And the answer for most people will probably be yes. And it really is only about 2% to do your meditation to make the other 98% more amazing. And it's so yeah, it doesn't take away from the other 98% it actually makes it better.
Nicole Smith 14:13
You're replenishing your resources. Hmm, yeah, you can't drive a car when there's no petrol in there unless it's an electronic car and then you need to charge it. Regardless, the pap, if you've got to find in the battery runs out doesn't work. It's the same with us. That mentality of you know, i keep coming back to that hustle culture, you just go go go until your burn. Right? And that has been in the world for such such a long time. So being able to, that's exactly look at it 2% of your day, like that is just nothing in the in the scheme of things, but the benefits of doing it. Yeah, absolutely. How do you encourage or support people to start? Like how do they, how like, just say, I'm a novice, no idea what to do. I know it's a thing. I know, I've heard you talk about it. But how do I actually like, what is the first thing I should do to start to bring this into my, you know, the integration of my day?
Jazz Kalus 15:14
Yeah. So I teach a three day learn to meditate course. And in that course, I share the technique, and we do it together. And then we also have a whole section around how to make meditation, a daily habit. So, you know, sitting down and closing your eyes, for some people might be might be the easy part. It also might be the hard part, because we're not really used to sitting down and just being with ourselves. And we often have a lot of thoughts and all that kind of stuff, which people can find uncomfortable. But I think the place to start is just by starting, like I know, that's a bit of a cop out. Sounds like a cop out.
Nicole Smith 15:50
I say that all the time.
Jazz Kalus 15:51
Yeah, like you just all you have to do is sit down and close your eyes, and prioritise yourself, I think you need to find that desire. You need to figure out your why, you know, I think that's a really, that's a really great way to start. Because if you don't understand your why, then it's going to be hard to keep to keep sitting down and prioritising it. Yeah. But I think that, yeah, I mean, I'm, I obviously teach it a three day course. And I like the way that I learned was through a teacher. And that's how I made it a daily habit. So I think a great place to start is to find someone that you feel like you can connect with, there's a lot of meditation teachers out there, I'm just one of them. But yeah, like find someone that you that you connect with, that you feel like you'd like to learn from. And that's a great place to start.
Nicole Smith 16:49
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Nicole Smith: So like, for me, I am a singer. And I know that one of my places that I kind of go to rejuvenate is singing. And the reason why and I think I've shared this on a recent podcast so everyone's hearing it again but hey hoe, it's important everyone. Breathing when you sing, you breathe, and it's controlled breathing, it's, you know, the power comes from in your diaphragm. And it's you know, through and I know that in the moments when I'm feeling a little bit, oh, I don't want to take a break. If I go and sing even if I don't feel like it. The moment I go and I do that, and I just let it out and I just let that release out. It makes me feel so much better. Is that sort of I know, you're saying sit down and close your eyes? Are there different forms of like meditation that are around or is it like?
Jazz Kalus 18:37
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'll answer that question in one second. But I want to just touch on the fact that you said even if you don't feel like it, you still do it and it feels good. And that's so similar with meditation. In that, like, I don't always feel like it like you know, you got all these other things you want to do all these things that are outside now the world is open, all that kind of stuff. You don't always feel like it. But it's one of those things that you will never ever regret. Yeah, like I posted a meme once that said, like, "I really regret meditating today said no one ever". And it's just so true. Like you never regret it even, and I think something that people don't realise and which is maybe a reason that people don't try meditation is that it's okay to have thoughts and it's okay to feel agitated. So no matter how your body is, feeling, whether it like no matter if it's a gratifying meditation on ungratifying meditation, something really great is happening in your system to restore the mind and body. And so that's that's just a really good little piece of information to know. Because I think that's what stops a lot of people from trying because they're like, I can't turn my my thoughts off and that's there's so much going on and it's uncomfortable and that's great. If it doesn't feel comfortable. That's wonderful an amazing stress release is happening in your system. Yeah. To answer you other question. Yeah. Which was, are there other forms of meditation. There's so many different ways of yeah, to look after your mind and so many different kinds of mindfulness practices, including breathing, and there's a range of other things. My recommendation would be, again, like, find what works for you. But also whatever does work for you to do it consistently, because that's where you really get to see the benefit.
Nicole Smith 20:29
Yeah. Yeah, I noticed last year, I think I shared this before we started recording, but I was part of, in the online musical theatre performance group last year. And I'd started to say, sorry, I've taken steps even back. I started the business, the start of the year, and it was going well, and then I started singing again. And I'd had stopped for a long while because I had kids, and you know, all the things that you do. And the minute I started singing again, and bringing that creative side into my business, ultimately, as well, it was me, my time, it actually really helped with my business world as well. Because everything was starting to, there wasn't an imbalance anymore, it was I was filling myself up, which that meant flowed through to how I was being in the world, in my business, in my personal life. And it was just a really fabulous realisation, that, that's why it's so important to recharge yourself.
Jazz Kalus 21:33
So true. It's like the, on the aeroplane, you have to put your own oxygen mask on before you can put others on.
Nicole Smith 21:40
I had that on, that's one of the thing, one of the messages on my business card.
Jazz Kalus 21:44
Oh, that's so funny. And it's so true. Like you, yeah, you, you're like, if your cup isn't filled, it's gonna be really hard for you to work in your business or be a good mother or friend or anything like that. And so I feel like, meditation is as much for me as it is, for every single person around me, it has such a flow on effect. You know, if you bring, you bring stress into a conversation, and then that person takes it on to their next conversation, then they go home, you know, feeling grumpy, and then they yell at their partner, and then they get annoyed at their kids, and then the kids are upset, and then the kid like, you know, I could, I could keep going forever. And it's, whereas if you, you know, have tools to become aware of, of what's happening in your body, if you feel like, you know, you know, you'll become aware of what you need in each moment. So like, if the if something is like stressful happening, stress is actually our own response. So there isn't such thing as like, a stressful event. It's completely our response. And when we meditate, we can really, we can respond instead of react.
Nicole Smith 22:54
Yeah. So my, my very good friend and colleague, Kathy Rast did a word of the day on react and response recently. And it was really, really interesting and very, made it very aware, when you're in a situation and it's an instant, like UH moment, it's like, well, you're reacting to that, rather than allowing yourself to sit in the moment, think about an actually respond the way that you want to respond.
Jazz Kalus 23:24
Yeah, and that's why I talk as well about like meditation, helping you become more you. Because in those moments when you react, you know, like, if somebody gets annoyed at something, something happens in their life, someone gets annoyed, they react, and they're like, "oh, that wasn't me though, sorry". Yeah. You know, or, I mean, it's more it's so much more than that. It's, it's that but it's also that we really become aware of, I guess, like who we are and our values and we live to them. I find that I really am living multiple values, you can live less out of fear as well, which means that you can do the things that you know, you maybe haven't been doing because you've been scared or something. And it really, yeah, it's really powerful in just making you more you.
Nicole Smith 24:10
More confident as well. So good. So, I've heard some sort of misconceptions about meditation that are out there in the world that we kind of like want to knock on the head. Is there anything that kind of screams, screams at you.
Jazz Kalus 24:28
Yeah, absolutely. So one is that like, you don't have to be any kind of person to meditate, like, absolutely anyone can meditate. I think for a long time, I was like, oh, meditation is not for me. Like I'm not. I don't know. I don't know who I thought meditated. But I didn't think I was like, in that category. Um, I think a lot of people think that it's like, it's maybe religious or it's maybe spiritual or something like that. The meditation technique that I teach is none of that. It's for absolutely everybody. So that that's one thing. Another thing is that you don't have to switch off your thoughts. I mentioned that earlier. But that's a huge one. Our minds are thinking machines, we actually can't stop them from thinking like, if you stop them from thinking, then you are not alive. Yes. So we don't need to stop thoughts. That's a really, really important one. It doesn't need to feel zen. It doesn't need to feel any kind of way. No matter if your meditation feels, if it's thought filled, if you're feeling agitated, or if it's that really relaxed, juicy, delicious, feeling something great is happening in your system.
Nicole Smith 25:42
That's really interesting, isn't it? Because when I, when you think of meditation, you think about, i dunno, I'm imagining, like a Bali retreat with like, you know, be stunning, because that is a beautiful, relaxing place. But that's a really good thing to know that it's not always about that. It's about creating the space for you to be where you are, and to feel the feels, or to think of whatever the words are. You could probably explain it better than me, but.
Jazz Kalus 26:12
No no no, that's so true. Like you just allow yourself to feel what you're feeling and let that flow through you without judgement. And, yeah, absolutely right. And speaking of, you know, thinking of meditation, being in a Bali retreat, I mean, we can't create that kind of vibe, everywhere. So another myth is that, to bust, is you don't need a special setup to meditate. You don't need to be in a Bali retreat, you don't need to be in a yoga studio. You can meditate anywhere, anytime. I sometimes meditate in my car, I meditate at my desk. It's such an accessible, like the technique that I teach is just such an accessible technique. All you need is you. All you need is you to become more you.
Nicole Smith 26:59
I'm just picturing your friends in New York now sitting, you know, in the main bit with the cars whizzing past, like on the seat just like chillin doing their thing. And I can see actually how, how that would work. Because you're so in, your inward. So the world around you is continuing, but you're focusing on what you need right then and there.
Jazz Kalus 27:25
Exactly. And on that another thing is that noise is not a barrier. Yeah, it's better to it's, it's better to meditate somewhere quiet, but noise is no barrier. You know, we have to be able to do these things in the life that we live in, you know, and so people might have kids around, or dogs or their cars, and you can't, like, what can you do about that I once went to a group meditation, and it happened to be above a bar. And so there was music playing, but like, no problems, we treat music the same way that we do thoughts, we notice that they're there. And then you come back to your mantra
Nicole Smith 28:04
That's really, takes me back to when I was having Sebastian, my six year old now. And we were very much the parents that were not, "ohh shhh, the baby's sleeping". Like that was not us. We were the ones, well I was the one that was walking around and Chadstone like all the noise, Sebby sleeping in the, in the, in the pram and because ultimately, like when when you pregnant, you babies in your stomach, and there's noise right. Not in your stomach, anyway, medical terms, I'm such a doctor. You know, when they come out. That's noise we have always had sound and noise and quiet is actually sometimes the opposite of what we actually need. Sometimes it's great. But other times, it's not what we need. So yeah, thank you for that. That's really good.
Jazz Kalus 28:55
I mean, yeah, on that, like, there's always gonna be noise, whether that's like actual sound noise or whether it's different kinds of demands coming our way. There's always going to be things and we can't control all of the other stuff. But we can, you know, use this technique to be able to control our own kind of response to what's coming our way.
Nicole Smith 29:19
Yeah, that's so good. I really liked that. Thank you. That's really great. Is there anything else some you wanted to share with us? I know that you've mentioned some particular apps that you use, is there any that are sort of your favourites, especially for people that may be starting out and might, maybe aren't quite ready yet to find a teacher to support them on their journey?
Jazz Kalus 29:43
Yeah, so I, the app that I first use was the One Giant Mind app. Yeah. That's a really great app. I actually, I teach the one giant mind technique. Yeah. So that's a really great place to start. That was that was a place that I started. So yeah, definitely recommend that there's a few others. There's like Smiling Mind and Headspace. Yeah, Site Timer, there's so many apps and they're all a really great place to start. But yeah, if you're feeling ready to really give it a go, and the apps have kind of, it's difficult to make it a habit on the apps, then, yeah, I really recommend reaching out to a teacher. And I know that was a real game changer for me.
Nicole Smith 30:28
I guess we do, when we're looking to really make change, in our world, reaching out to someone who is an expert in that space, or is, the word experts a funny thing. But is more, a few steps ahead of you. Yeah, you know, on your journey there, they know that little bit more, so they can guide you on to where you're heading is, is a great thing to do. So. Yeah. Awesome. Is anything else you wanted to share about it?
Jazz Kalus 30:57
Um, I don't think so. I think I just would, I don't know, I really like, would love to encourage people just to consider, you know, the importance of taking care of, of their mind. You know, it's really, it really is our most precious asset. And, yeah, it's just really powerful. When, when you do have these practices, that the change that you can kind of see in your life, the positive change, and I, yeah, I'm really passionate about it. And that's why that's why I'm teaching it, I wouldn't be teaching it otherwise. I'm just so passionate about sharing this, because I can really see how, yeah, how powerful it can be. So yeah, I think that's, that's about it from me, but I'm always here to chat if anybody's interested. I'm on Instagram, I @jazzkalusmeditation, if you're not sure about it, or if you just even want some advice on, if there's other techniques you want to learn or anything like that. I'm here for all of it. So happy to answer any question, just really happy to share, to share meditation with with the world.
Nicole Smith 32:04
So good. And if we talk about something that I talk about and help my clients with is the designing your day process, and really understanding the things that are important to you, those personal non negotiable actions. This is one of those actions. So look at the way that you've designed your week and your day. And if meditation is something that you want to start to do, just do it. Just start it, start it tomorrow or start it today. And it doesn't necessarily have to be in the morning does it, it can be any time of the day. Whatever.
Jazz Kalus 32:41
Absolutely can be any time of the day, the technique that I teach we, we recommend that you do it in the morning, and then afternoon. It's just a really great way to release stress and fatigue from the system and prepare you for your day. But yeah, it's the kind of thing that you can have access to at any time whenever you need. So yeah, I mean, that's the other thing I guess about not using the apps is that when you have a technique, all you need is yourself. You don't need to rely on anything, on anything else. So yeah, start today. That's, I love that. Just do it.
Nicole Smith 33:16
Awesome. Well, um, all of my guests get the invitation to answer three questions. So would you be interested to join us on the three question challenge?
Jazz Kalus 33:27
Of course! Ohh scary.
Nicole Smith 33:29
Oh, no, it's not. It's fun. Okay, what is your go to app that creates ease in your everyday?
Jazz Kalus 33:37
That's a really good question.
Nicole Smith 33:42
Could be anything. So like mine is Clickup, because that's an application I use each and every day. I had someone that shared, they used an application on their phone that limited the time they spent on social media.
Jazz Kalus 33:58
Yeah, I've tried those before, no luck. I actually don't really have, like, I mean, I guess before I started my practice, I would have used the One Giant Mind app. But otherwise, um, I don't have like a, like a productivity app. Really, to be honest.
Nicole Smith 34:16
Maybe it's yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be a productivity app. Yeah, but your saying that though, because you think you've got that practice in sync internally. Yeah, that's really powerful. Okay,
Jazz Kalus 34:30
I definitely, I mean, if I'm being honest, I could use like one of those productivity ones where you like, don't use social media as much. But otherwise, yeah, I kind of got my my self care practice, I guess within me.
Nicole Smith 34:43
Yeah. So good. Are you an online or paper to do lists lover?
Jazz Kalus 34:49
Nicole Smith 34:52
Or a hybrid?
Jazz Kalus 34:53
Yeah, hybrid actually, I do a lot of notes on my phone. That's, that's not an app, but that's actually something I use alot, my notes section. And now you know, you can put the little ticks. Yeah, that's great. But I also love lists. Yes. I'm my mother's daughter. And she is, is the list queen! And I also love a list now. My friends make fun of me about my lists.
Nicole Smith 35:17
Hello. Welcome to the club. Yeah, Queen of lists! Yep, absolutely.
Jazz Kalus 35:22
To be honest, I actually have a few lists all over and I'm getting a little confused, I probably need to consolidate it
Nicole Smith 35:28
You need to discover clickup. It's so good.
Jazz Kalus 35:30
There we go. That's going to be my new one.
Nicole Smith 35:34
Um, okay, the final question, what would you do if you created more space in your world?
Jazz Kalus 35:41
I would, I guess my mission in life is to empower people to, yeah, to become more them. To figure out what they've got inside and to achieve, you know, reach their potential. So I think I would, I would keep at that. And I would keep, you know, spreading messages. And, yeah, I think that's what I would do.
Nicole Smith 36:08
Awesome. So good. Well, thank you so much for coming and joining me today. I mean, this conversation, and you have already shared where we can find you. And so all of those links, were going to pop into the show notes. And please pop over and connect and if meditation's something that you've been sort of like sitting on the edge of your seat, and you're just not sure.Pop into to Jazz's DM's and she'll guide you on your way to it.
Jazz Kalus 36:35
Yayy, love to hear from people. Should that be my new motto? I'm not sure.
Nicole Smith 36:45
Just start today, just start today.
Jazz Kalus 36:47
Yes. Take one step, one step at a time. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's been so great to chat with you and I look forward to chatting soon and look forward to hearing from anybody who's listening.
Nicole Smith 37:01
Yay. Wonderful. Thank you so much. And thank you for everybody who is listening here today. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day and enjoy creating space and time freedom by now.
Well, there we go. Thank you so much for joining me today. It's been such a pleasure having you on board. Have we connected on the socials yet? If not, please come on over say hi, I'm on all the platforms @theartisansolutions. So I'd really look forward to seeing you over there. And if you enjoyed today's episode, don't forget to tag me and I'd love it if you could leave a review. And of course share this with others so others can come and join us next time. Alright, then everyone have a fabulous rest of the week. And until next time, see you then.