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Nicole Smith
Hello, hello and welcome to another episode of Take Control with Nicole. Today I’m speaking with the fabulous Theo Kapodistrias. I hope I got that right. All about creating messages that matter. Theo Kapodistrias is a multi-award-winning lawyer, based in Hobart, Tasmania. He is also a speaker, trainer and public speaking coach, running his own business theokap.com.au. He has been recognised for his work in the legal and community space winning the 2017 and 2018 Lawyers Weekly 30 Under 30 Award (Corporate Counsel), the Academia, Training and Education Lawyer of the Year Award at the 2018 Corporate Counsel Awards, the Young Lawyer of the Year Award at the 2020 Law Society of Tasmania Awards, and Excellence Award at the 2021 Australasian Law Awards. He has been identified as a rising star by both the Legal 500 in 2019 and the Australasian Lawyer in 2022. Theo was also named as one of Australia’s Most Influential Lawyers in 2022, a finalist in the Australian Small Business Champion Awards and finalist as Speaker of the Year at the 2022 International Coaches Awards. He is a Non-Executive Director of the Association of Corporate Counsel Australia and Business Events Tasmania. In 2021, Theo took on the role as Executive Director and Licensee of TEDxHobart and is the host of a podcast titled ‘Craft Messages That Matter.’

Well, hi, I am very excited to talk to you about all the fabulous things and where your journey has taken you from there to now and TEDxHobart. My goodness. So welcome. Hello.

Theo Kapodistrias
Hi, Nicole. Great to be here.

Nicole Smith
So exciting. Well, let’s start with you. I want you to share a little bit more about your fabulous journey up until now share with us all the things.

Theo Kapodistrias
Yeah, sure. I mean, where to start, I guess, growing up in little old Hobart, that’s where I’ve always been, and have just loved it and don’t want to move. I just think it’s the best. I’ve grown up in a small business family. So my grandparents started a business as a, like a grocery store and deli. And then they gave that to my parents, and I still help them out with that today. So you know, it’s just part of, I guess, my nature to be really invested in small business and working and just enjoying that fun. So I’ve taken I guess, the work ethic and the skill from that, like my parents work seven days a week, and I guess I technically do as well, and kind of put it into everything that I do now. So when I was at school, I thought you know, what I want to do, I don’t really know. And I kind of came towards the journey of law. I think I was in grade 10 at the time. And for me, I just thought what kind of blends and lets me do all the things I like to do. I loved English, I loved communicating, I loved drama and performance. And I love problem solving. And for some reason, law seemed like the perfect fit. So with all of that, I then did a law degree, an arts law degree with a major in criminology and law from the University of Tasmania. And that was such a fun time got to do some really amazing things got to get be involved in some really amazing projects as well, even as a student. And then it came to the point of me then becoming a lawyer, I thought what do I do now? I have no idea. Then I found myself working as an in house lawyer at the University of Tasmania as my first job so I never left the uni for a while. And then through that journey, I started getting recognised as a leading lawyer in Australia just through doing some interesting projects and getting involved in the community space. So I was getting asked to speak at events regularly both in legal but also governance and research management as well. And the first very big conference I got asked to speak at was the 2017 Australasian research and Management Society Conference. So I packed my bags and went to New Zealand for a conference where you know, I thought oh my gosh, like I think I love this, I actually think I really love speaking on stage and being able to share my thoughts and ideas with all these amazing people. And a little after that, that’s when I kicked off my business. Because in 2019, actually, when I came to think, I think it’s time, I need to create my own thought leadership, moving outside of just the legal and the corporate governance space, but also the thing that I’m most passionate about. And that is how we communicate and how we develop relationships with people through our communication. So I then took my thought leadership, and it will be a few months to do it, I created a website. And then in March of 2020, decided, yes, I’m a speaker and a speaking coach, and this is what I’m going to do, except announcing that you are a speaker, at the beginning of a global pandemic, the really bad strategy, not gonna find much work.

Nicole Smith
Not in-person anyway, right?

Theo Kapodistrias
No, so the 2020 gave me the opportunity to really refine my messaging my market and do all sorts of work to really hone in and develop and build the business and think about what is this what I’m doing, who am I helping out, I make this work really well. So gave me a really great opportunity to sit down and think about what it is and who I helped to, I guess, you know, going forward to 2022. And now I’ve got a really clear idea of, you know, the clientele that I assist, you know, I’ve got a new website, now, I’ve got a whole range of services, and you know, continuing to expand that as well. So it’s just been a, it’s been a fun ride.

Nicole Smith
I love that. Similar without the law degree, I am not a lawyer, but similar journey, I launched my business at the start of 2020. And with all these grand plans of the things, and then the things happened, and I had that time, sort of stop and reflect and refine, and be, you know, be able to find exactly who I wanted to work with what I wanted to do, and why I’m actually creating this business as well, which is really exciting. Well, ah, how exciting. That’s fabulous. I love it. And so your decision to do your own speaking business. You’ve obviously you mentioned drama, and acting and stuff like that’s also my little I love I’m a singer and a dancer. And I love that. Well, I’d love your opinion on this actually is a real alignment, I believe between business and creativity, do you?

Theo Kapodistrias
Yes, yes. Because when you’re creative, you create things, right. So then you create things, but then you create products, you create services. So this little idea, from that little spark of creativity can turn into something marketable, which is really awesome. And for me, you know, the drama aspect was, in my career as a lawyer, I was enhanced, I mean, house and corporate. So I’m doing paperwork, I go to meetings and talk, but there’s no performance aspect to it. So I wasn’t feeling that sort of creativity cut in a way as much as I wanted to. So that’s where, you know, my business got to allow me to feel that side of the creativity that I that I really love and really enjoy. Which is I think why I enjoy the business part of it so much.

Nicole Smith
Yeah, that’s right, there is a real synergy between the two. And I find if one is lacking, or if my creative side isn’t, isn’t filled, my business side isn’t filled either. It’s that real beautiful balance between between both sides. I also love with being a speaker, and especially on sometimes the topics that may seem a little bit dull, like obviously legals fabulous. But I can imagine if you’re talking to a room of whoever, and you’re talking all of the terminologies and the big clauses and all the things that can be a bit dry, but being able to use your communication skills and the way that you present, and you talk about different topics, you can really engage an audience and bring them on that journey with you.

Theo Kapodistrias
Yeah, 100%. So I actually run a training session for professional service providers cold turning the technical end of the practical, because what we do as technical advisors is, we know our stuff so well. But we don’t know how to explain it to people. And my view has always been, we can be the smartest person on a topic. We can know it inside and out. But if we’re unable to communicate that expertise in a way that people can understand, it doesn’t matter. Because you are your ability to communicate. Which is why I guess I created my service. I see the issue in the gap with people that are those, you know, they’re so good at their ability to like learn and get into the nitty gritty on a particular matter whether it’s finance, legal, real estate insurance, they know that they just can’t express the information as well as I’d like to.

Nicole Smith
I’m from the tech space. So my role previous to my business was I was that middle human in between the business and the tech developers. And so I can speak both languages and being that translator between and it is a skill that can be learned. And that can when you’ve got those techniques, or those tools and someone to guide you to just be able to transition to a higher level jargon talk, and all of the acronyms and things that are commonly known over this side, being able to bring them over into human speak. And you know, humanise it so that everybody can understand it. So is that this you mentioned? That’s one of the things that you do with your clients? What else do you do with your clients?

Theo Kapodistrias
Yes, so I guess the whole basis around my business is to allow people to speak up, show up and make an impact through their voice and through their words. So whether it’s being able to turn those technical thoughts into practical solutions, whether it’s actually just gaining the confidence to actually speak up, because I found that, from when I started my career, I was quite reserved, I didn’t move into imposter syndrome and feel that I had a voice to share my thoughts, share my opinions provide that sort of advice piece. But once I gained the courage to speak up, that’s when my career took off. So I had to find the courage in my voice and know how to communicate that to the wider room and to the people that I was working with. So you know, through through what I’ve done, and through what I do, I’ve created a methodology. I call it the five theme methodology, which I work with people through, I guess, both coaching, but also my workshops, and speaking stuff. And, you know, the methodology is what it is, but some clients need more assistance on certain aspects than than others. And, you know, all of my coaching is really bespoke to the person that I’m working with. So it’s about their communication and public speaking needs, and how I can work with them to get to where they need to be, which we’ve done love, it’s so much fun.

Nicole Smith
It’s amazing, isn’t it to be part of someone’s transformational journey, you know, knowing that I just think back to, you know, to my, my journey, when I was working in a, in a business that was quite male dominated, and being a smart woman in the room, I couldn’t get my voice across. Because I was just seen as that, you know, and there’s that’s a whole other story, but I actually did some wasn’t leadership was, it was a form of coaching, I can’t put my pin on it. I think it was leadership coaching anyway. But a lot of it was that empowerment piece, that you have a voice, you have something to add that’s of impact and influence in this business. And being able to have those skills to go into that room and come on to the room. Be like I am here. This is what I’ve got to say, you can listen. It’s my turn to talk now. Not in a way it’s like hi, you know, but it was such an impactful transformation for me. And I saw the results by the things that I was presenting were addressed and implemented, because I’d been able to clearly articulate them in that way. So how fabulous people need you. People need you in their world especially in the technical spaces.

Theo Kapodistrias
Totally. You know, that’s why I’m here. That’s why, you know, I guess I’m really fortunate that I do get to work with such awesome people and see them transform. It’s so cool.

Nicole Smith
So amazing. Are you online? Rre they online? Are they in person or you got a hybrid mixture of all the things?

Theo Kapodistrias
It’s a hybrid mixture of all the things I have people in Hobart that work with me, but they they prefer doing it online. I’m like, sure, that’s that’s fine. But then, you know, but others who want to meet with me face to face, which I also love. Whatever works for the client works for me, too.

Nicole Smith
Yeah, so good, isn’t it? I think that’s something that the last few years like I’ve always been a hybrid worker or believer that is a thing. Coming from the tech space bit the last few years has really allowed us to transform our businesses and how we all communicate as well. Have you discovered through the last few years, though, that communication especially online has been a bit of a forefront of topic for you?

Theo Kapodistrias
It has been absolutely. I found that I think people have really struggled to find the balance between being, I guess replacing what was sort of in person interaction with the online stuff. So I think we’re all finding now that there’s a lot of zoom fatigue. At the early stages of the pandemic, it was, oh my god, how do we keep maintain this community, so we’d have, you know, daily catch ups. So teams would meet every day to have a catch up, they do the Friday afternoon drinks thing. And I think at first people thought, oh, this is nice. But then it just gets too much. So it’s about finding that balance between how like, maintaining that sort of connection, but also giving people the space to actually work in a way that works for them, rather than being forced to meet together. So, and also, I guess, you know, the balance of what is too much communication, people found the need that they had to continually demonstrate their value during the pandemic, because there was such a big change, or, you know, people’s jobs could be on the line based on the state of where the company was. So people, I found in my workplace at the time, I’ve actually transitioned over a couple of different workplaces during that period, I found that, you know, there were so many people who would announce once they had completed a task, announced every time that they, you know, were finished doing something that seemed really hard. Whereas you wouldn’t do that any other time. You wouldn’t do that in the real world. So people were really trying to justify their existence. And I just found that so interesting. But I think working virtually, people have discovered a whole new way of presenting and speaking, because having personality and presence over a Zoom meeting is really hard. My first as a professional speaker, and in my business, the first paid engagement I had was on Zoom. Oh, no. What does it look like? So I had to really strip back when I was doing and implement things that made it engaging, I thought, well, how do I, how do I make this an interactive session? Get people to comment in the chatbox, get people to do like an activity, let’s find an app that can allow people to vote if they want to, it was really about, oh wow, I need to actually change the whole way that I do things. Otherwise, I’m gonna lose people. And I think that event in itself, I wasn’t sure. I didn’t get any audience interaction. I couldn’t see anyone else. It was just me talking to myself. So I had to keep maintaining that energy, which was so hard.

Nicole Smith
It’s really hard. I did a number of events over lockdown as well. And I need to see faces. I was at an event last night it was it wasn’t a business event. It was literally, it was called a sober dance party. I won’t say what it actually was called because, you know, warnings. Literally, we arrived and the DJ was pumping and we’re in like this warehouse space in Melbourne. And we just was dancing for two hours. Probably about halfway through the power went off. So everyone was just like what? And so me being me that I am I’m like okay, what can we do, straight into problem solving mode.

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What can we do? All right we need to get everyone so excited to like you know strictly ballroom dad style clap you know get everyone clapping the whole room is clapping okay and that kind of died down so then I jumped on the stage and I, I’m a singer so yeah, anyway, perfectionist was biting on my back, like oh, no microphone, no nothing a roomful of people. And I just got it but what helped me to do that was the interaction from the audience. You know, it was that feedback, we’re working together in the room to make it a thing. And that’s the same when you’re presenting, especially in person, you can read the room, right? You can read how everything’s sort of being portrayed and absorbed and make slight adjustments as you’re going through.

Theo Kapodistrias

Yep, exactly. Because you get a feeling when you’re losing the audience, you get that oh no, I’m losing them. But I guess, you know, that’s part of where some of my training comes in. One of my little tips and tricks that, you know, I’ll give free is, you need to understand who your audience is. But almost always people are going to be either heavily left brained or right brained. So people are going to love that analytics, the facts, the figures, one half of the room will laugh at the other half are going to love pictures, stories, videos. So to illustrate each point, you need to make sure that you’ve got the balance between both. Because without that, then people are just going to ass out. And you don’t want a room full of people just asleep. That’s awkward and uncomfortable. And I guess that’s the benefit of being first and you get to actually see and feel people watching you, looking at you, interacting with you, there’s always going to be your number one fan in the room, you’re going to have one person, regardless of how boring the topic, you’re gonna have one person who’s there nodding,

Nicole Smith

I’m like here nodding, I’m that person.

Theo Kapodistrias
I’m that person too. You can that you can kind of feel that person on stage, and you want to recognise what they’re saying is resonating. So you know, that little nod is really nice. And yeah, no matter the room, you’re always gonna have a number one fan. So if you ever feel uncomfortable, just look for that number one fan.

Nicole Smith
Look for the head nodding. I love it. Tell me about your podcast. When did you start that? Tell me all the things.

Theo Kapodistrias
So I started it this year. The whole purpose behind it really, for me is just content creation and being able to share some practical, quick tips with people, just so they can, they can get something like at the beginning of the day, they can say, you know what I’m going to put on the Craft Messages That Matter podcast, I’m gonna learn about something practical that I can implement today to how I communicate or how I do presentations. Or if I want to learn more about TEDx, and TEDx stuff. So just a super quick hit with practical elements that we’re gonna implement is the podcast, I’m behind on the latest episode. But you know, I think that’s the fun of look, for me, it’s just about getting that information out there. You know, I’m trying not to be too strict with myself. I was pretty regimented for a while. And then I had so many projects on the go. And I was travelling, I thought I actually didn’t have time to sit down to even record that little 10 minute did, which is so annoying.

Nicole Smith
Timely that you say that I was talking to a good friend of mine last night this way at home from the fabulous event. And she’s just started a podcast as well. And she’s transitioning it now to series because she felt that, you know, that constant creation of that was not really aligned with where she was wanting to go. And I think that when you are creative, even though it’s only 10 minutes, creating a pocket unless you’ve got a team that does it for you like my fabulous team, creating a podcast isn’t just 10 minutes, it’s 10 minutes recording, then you got to edit it, do the artwork, do the things, do the publications, all the stuff, right? And you’ve got to really be true to ourselves and be kind as a human and go, actually, my priorities are here right now. And I love you all over there. And I’ll be back soon. But I need to focus my energy over here because otherwise we just we don’t end up in a great space. So you’re doing the best for you at this time. So I applaud that.

Theo Kapodistrias
Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. And yeah, you 100% right. It is just about doing the best thing for you. And that was the best thing for me just taking that a little bit slow.

Nicole Smith
That’s it. Yeah, that’s it. I love it. I will I have to go and check it out and see that because I think like no communicate. I’ve been on a communication language journey myself with my very, very fabulous friend and colleague Kathy Rast. She’s a linguistgeologist. Actually, you should go and check her out. Yes, trademarked her own word, linguistgeologist. She is amazing, but it’s I really understand the power of language and communication and how impactful it can be when you you know how to use it, and also, how you can encourage your communities to communicate with you as well. It’s a really fabulous experience.

Theo Kapodistrias
It is yeah, absolutely. That’s awesome.

Nicole Smith
Tell me a little bit That TEDx. I’m really interested.

Theo Kapodistrias
Yeah. So TEDx is my little passion project. And I thought, well, this is a way I can give back to the community, but also do what I love in the coaching space. As well as, I don’t know why. But I’ve organised a few events in the past and I kind of love it. I kind of love the chaos. But seeing it all come together so much I’m so with TEDx over, I got the opportunity. I was actually talking to someone who was a licensee in Australia. And they were saying how, you know, it’s actually such a challenge to get the licence. It’s so hard, you’ll never get it. And I thought, I reckon I could get it.

Nicole Smith
My head is like, challenge accepted.

Theo Kapodistrias
Exactly. And I’ve always been a fan of TED, I have, you know, love TED Talks. I did a programme called Ted Masterclass, I, you know, I’ve got a TED app on my phone, I download TED talks before I’ve jumped on a plane. So for me, I just thought, I want to do it. Part of doing the TED masterclass programme, cuz I got a scholarship to do it. Through the association of corporate counsel, the, you know, homework was alright, you do the course you learn how to do a TED talk, and then you create and do a TED style talk. And, you know, that talk is actually being featured in a conference in a couple of weeks. So just, you know, that creative little thing I did two years ago is still going, which is awesome.

Nicole Smith

So that they’re live for us to watch.

Theo Kapodistrias
Live, it is on my website as well, I think on the first page.

Nicole Smith
We’ll make sure we put the links in the in the social notes for that as well. So go and check it out.

Theo Kapodistrias
Amazing. Yeah, so please check that out. And yeah, I guess through all of those things that I’ve been doing, doing a TEDx have intercede, like a nice little activity to do. So I applied for the licence. And three weeks after that, I got it. My thought, oh, no, now I need to pull it together. I grabbed my team, I grabbed a team together. And then everyone got to roll. And then we kicked off and our first event, because it’s an annual thing, versus it was this year 12th of February. And our speakers and performers were incredible. Amazing. I’ve never been so inspired and felt so like such an amazing high from watching everyone do their do their thing. It was just perfection on the stage. It was so good. And now I’m just in the process of organising the 2023 event. So we’re in the process right now reviewing all the speaker applications, which is so much fun. This is the fun part. And in the process of organising a launch event for for the speaker announcement as well in a matter of weeks. So it’s all it’s all coming together. Just loving it.

Nicole Smith
I love events. I just I went to another one the other week and was at the Melbourne museum. And just all the parts and pieces that come together and knowing how much goes into it because I’m I’ve done that in my previous world as well. And it’s just beautiful that you’re right, that experience on the night of what sitting back and just well, probably running around doing things. Let’s be serious, but just absorbing and looking at those, you know, the people on the stage doing their thing in their shining glory is just amazing. Exciting.

Theo Kapodistrias
Yeah, it’s so much fun. It’s so much fun. It takes up so much of my mental capacity. But I still love it. I’ve learned so much about business, you’re doing it as well.

Nicole Smith
I bet you have. Yeah, it’s but it’s a fueling exercise as well. Right? There’s some that are draining and some that are fueling and it’s a fueling one, then keep on going.

Theo Kapodistrias

Thank you.

Nicole Smith
Well one more question. And then we’re going to go into my three questions that I asked all the things. What have you discovered that you’re like, in general, for people that sort of like those common blocks when it comes to jumping up on a stage or in a Zoom Room and actually presenting to to other humans?

Theo Kapodistrias
I think people always have this idea that they’re going to be judged. They’re always going to think, oh my god, if I get ups, I’m gonna get poked fun at someone’s gonna make fun of me. They’re gonna talk about me later, when in reality, no one cares. They don’t care. But if they do care, one of the best lessons I’ve learned in life this year, is that other people’s opinions are not your business. And it actually doesn’t matter what other people think. Because you’re not going to be everyone. And then you don’t have to be for everyone.

Nicole Smith

We don’t want to be for everyone.

Theo Kapodistrias
So I guess with that mindset in mind, it’s then about just finding the courage and the confidence to speak up to say what you need to say. But knowing how to deliver it, yeah, because there’s such a difference between being blunt and being honest. But it’s sometimes a fine line. But knowing just how to deliver it, knowing who you’re speaking to, and how you can say it is really important too. But it comes with just having that courage and confidence. And knowing that doesn’t matter what you say, it doesn’t matter. Who’s there, you have a voice, you have the opportunity to say it, it’s just about making sure you deliver it in the, in the best way to people there.

Nicole Smith

Yeah. And I’ve found through my journey of business that you never know who’s watching, right, in a positive way, like, you know, you As humans, we always look to others for inspiration and to see what they’re doing, they might be a few steps ahead of us or doing something that is really on our wish list to do. And what I’ve recently realised is there’s people that are looking at me, now in that same light, and at first, it’s a little bit like, oh, my goodness, wow, that’s just, I’m just me, like, I’m just me. But it’s the same when you get on stage, right? There’ll be people sitting there going, I wish I could do that. And by you taking that action and presenting, you know, you’re giving someone else that opportunity to say, see, they’ve done that that’s possible, you know, just gotta learn the skills are going to come to do and learn how to actually do the things.

Theo Kapodistrias

Exactly, yes.

Nicole Smith
Amazing. Thank you so much. Is there anything else you wanted to leave us with? Before we jump into the three questions.

Theo Kapodistrias
I guess my final thing is, you know, just know that you do have a voice, you do have the opportunity to be heard. So make sure you speak up, stand up and make an impact.

Nicole Smith

Love that. Awesome. Okay, let’s get into the phone. What is your go to app that creates ease in your day?

Theo Kapodistrias
I’ve got to go to Evernote. Yes. Oh my god, Evernote. It’s so good. It makes me so happy. I just have a board. I put it into like a template. And it’s a little farm and then it’s there, ready for me to look at later. But my other one is Trello. I have my boards. I have all my tasks. So I tag people, I’ve got different boards for different things, different activities. It is my favourite. So good.
Project management systems are totally my bag. Like I just think, for any business anywhere, whatever you’re doing, if you’re working for yourself, if you’re working for somebody else, being able to organise your information and your actions in a central location is just such a refreshing outcome. So yeah, I love those good answers. Okay, are you online? Paper or hybrid to do list?
So I love my notebooks. Love, love, love. And I’ve recently bought a Remarkable too. They’re so cool. Right? So it’s basically a notebook, but it’s kinda online. Cuz it’s virtual. So I’m in a hybrid world at the moment.

Nicole Smith
So for those who not sure what a Remarkable is, it’s, imagine a notebook that you can write in. And then is that the one where you scan it with a QR code? And it sends or does that automatically upload?

Theo Kapodistrias
No, you’re thinking of the Rocket Book. So this one automatically uploads that it converts your written text into text, you can email it to yourself, or you can put it all syncs to the cloud, you just go online you can you’ve got all the notes there.

Nicole Smith
The magical cloud and wherever that is, takes you back to when that was first starting to be a thing that terminology the cloud and being in the tech space having to explain to people that the cloud isn’t actually the cloud, it’s a data centre somewhere in the world. Or that we haven’t had that answer before. That is, that is great. I watch all these people go out and be buying Remarkables now like kind of targets tell us if you buy one. It’s fun. Final question. What would you do if you created more space in your world?

Theo Kapodistrias
I’ve probably finished that book I’ve been trying to write. I’d love to get that done. I probably start making more videos as well. I don’t feel like I show up enough in video form. And I think that’s silly, because I’m talking about presenting and speaking but you don’t see me as much. So I need to make more videos. That’s one of my things on my to do list on my Remarkable right now.

Nicole Smith
Love it. Amazing. It’s just so sometimes it’s that one little step, isn’t it? You know, pressing record, sometimes, I know I’ve had this conversation with many people in business, it’s a bit daunting to do videos, isn’t it?

Theo Kapodistrias
Yeah, I always think oh, man, I look so strange.

Nicole Smith
Yeah. But isn’t that a thing though, that when we look at ourselves in video, it’s actually because it’s reversed. We kind of can’t connect with it being us. But I’m gonna go back to your what you said about being on stage is that no one really cares. Does that make sense? Not the content. The content is important. Don’t take that the wrong way. But we are such we always need pick on ourselves, don’t we? And we just didn’t don’t take action. Just don’t get it out there. Amazing. Where can we find you? Because people are going to be listening and being all the things and I do have some humans that I know are in your space. So TEDx next year could be a thing for them. So where are you hanging about? And where can people find you?

Theo Kapodistrias
People can find me on Instagram @theokap88. Twitter, if they really want the same handle, theocap.com.au as the little side notes, if you just searched Theo Kapodistrias, you can find my page, speaker and coach. My website, of course, www.theokap.com.au and LinkedIn, all the socials.

Nicole Smith
Yeah, all the places hanging out doing all the fun stuff. Amazing. We’re gonna put all those details in the show notes to make it super easy. So people can just go click on the button and come and find you. And watch the video as well. Your first TED Talk. So I know I’ll be going and having a look there as well. But thank you so much for joining me. This has been fabulous.

Theo Kapodistrias

Thank you, Nicole. It’s been awesome.

Nicole Smith
Well for anybody who is out there listening, I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day, and enjoy creating space and time freedom. Bye now.

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